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goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fred1new - 06 May 2012 13:51 - 16541 of 65439

Just noticed Cameron's Barmy Army led by Colonel Hays and Corporal Dreams are back again.
They must be happy with the results of recent elections, seen as a non-endorsement of their policies.
Shouting the rehearsed mantras is attempting to divert attention from their own failures by pointing and blaming others, but seemingly unable to realise that they are responsible for the increasing financial chaos.
The results of the elections would suggest less of the public are being conned by their propaganda, especially with the loss of media propaganda.
It was Boris and the Evening Standard “what won it!), not the present tory “Posh Boys”.
(Mind, Boris is not exactly a peasant, but that description is sticking to the cabinet.)
Interesting the tory left and right are sniping at their leadership as being out touch with party roots.

Suggest a little honey fungus is affecting them at ground level.
Gold sell off!
George is borrowing £150 billion more.
Get a few primers on economics and read and inwardly digest and then have a look at the 1930s and the reasons for some of the thinking and theory about its introduction. (Or perhaps read The Wizard of Oz.)
Go back to its introduction in the 1970's by Nixon to finance the Vietnam War and the failed attempt to defeat the Vietnamese North, and consider it as trying to write off the colossal cost of that war. Even consider why America lost that War and later Armed Adventures, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Even though, they produced devastation in those countries. (Clinton’s statement “It is the economy stupid. Apply, the same to what I think was a justifiable war i.e. WW2 and Britain collapsed post war economy.)
Also, look at the increased economic flexibility that leaving the gold standard has given.
Also look at the groups most opposed to the change from the gold standard, who mainly consist of the "money lenders" and those who benefit the most from "money transactions".
The change from the Gold Standard produces its own "problems and dangers".

But the loss of reflects the devaluation of the British economy, destruction of manufacturing bases (Maggie's period) and too much reliance on the Financial Services and the "corruption" of the latter.
But the problems and dangers "can" be avoided by responsible non egocentric policies, but that necessitates a competent government, which at the moment we don't have.
Notice they maybe a move to economic stimulus of rather than austerity over the next months, especially if F. Hollande is elected.
By the way not against “capitalism” in practice, but want to see it harnessed with responsibilities and profits more evenly distributed and the trend to personal greed controlled in pratice.


What will be interesting is to see the effect of the "Murdock Press and Media" turning on its previous allies and cohorts.
The Leveson enquiry could be quite revealing of the arrogant disregard for decent standards by the political elite. The tory failure at the select committee to denounce the Murdochs, was, perhaps, a non-appealing attempt at a covert appeal for clemency from the Murdochs not slay them. )


Phew, glad that is over.

We live in interesting political times.

Fred1new - 06 May 2012 15:22 - 16542 of 65439

Never mentioned Cameroon on the "other" site.

Fred1new - 06 May 2012 18:35 - 16543 of 65439

Interesting comments prior to Coulson and Rebecca appearing at Leveson enquiry and Downing Street asking for copies of their written submissions.

Coulson owned News Corp shares while at No 10

Haystack - 06 May 2012 18:43 - 16544 of 65439

Why shouldn't he own shares in News International? He was not a politician. I imagine that plenty of civil servants own a wide varierty of shares. The imortant part is whether he was trading those shares at sensitive times. Other than that he can own what shares he likes.

You are clutching at straws.

Fred1new - 06 May 2012 19:47 - 16545 of 65439

What was his stated role and confidant of the Cameroons?

Had he cut contacts with the Murdochs?


Interesting result in France with Hollande seems elected.

If he does a little of what he proposed there may be a shake (down) of the euro a little downwards and cause further problems for UK exports.


Talking of straws. Cameron was clutching at a straws when congratulating Boris. Hoping that the jester might keep him afloat.

You will be glad to know that I will be in France in 8days time. I will report from there.

I hope that I am allowed back in through border control with my skin colour. Better book my ticket now as at the rate things are changing it may take a lifetime to do so.


Fred1new - 06 May 2012 19:50 - 16546 of 65439


Civil servants have to declare interests if dealing with matters involving or could be influenced by their "duties" or "responsibilities".

required field - 06 May 2012 20:21 - 16547 of 65439

Hollande it is......many a time France goes left whilst we go right and the reverse of course.....Hope he doesn't change too many things ...France is a very fine country as it is......perhaps less unemployment and an extension to the A51 motorway south of Grenoble might be in order !...

Haystack - 06 May 2012 20:53 - 16548 of 65439

How do you know that he did not declare his interest? A lot of fuss about nothing. (as usual).

Fred1new - 06 May 2012 20:56 - 16549 of 65439

Apparently not reported!

required field - 06 May 2012 22:16 - 16550 of 65439

Looks like further rises for the pound against the euro tomorrow as Greece continues to be a big problem and France has elected Hollande......seems to me that everytime a solution is found for Greece ; they turn it down.......really nuts....

goldfinger - 07 May 2012 01:55 - 16551 of 65439

Going to be big loses on markets next week.

goldfinger - 07 May 2012 02:00 - 16552 of 65439

Back to top. cant do with people nicking other peoples threads. That pratt cockney rebel does that over the road and leaves all non premium off, just so that he can have a monopoly on speech.

If you dont like someone or their comments, use the FILTER BUTTON.

goldfinger - 07 May 2012 02:03 - 16553 of 65439

Click on the posters name then use top botton second from left....Squelch. That filters them.

Fred1new - 07 May 2012 10:49 - 16554 of 65439


I agree with you France is a beautiful country. Prefer the smaller towns to the large in general. Slower pace, more time, more relaxed.

I would have loved to live there.

Hollande seems to be a modern day realistic social “moderate”, who takes social responsibilities into consideration when “discussing policies”. I don’t see any real lurch to the left in economic policies, but expect a moderate degree of stimulus and increased infrastructure work. But when I was wandering around France last year I was surprised by the amount of “government constructions” being already started, or continuing, producing a stimulus of the economy for local communities.

Frances GDP is up, UK's down.

I think you have to judge Greek fears and difficulties of government against its post war history.

Civil war and military “coups” with development of military and post military elite and political swings between far left and far right.

If the European leaders had endorsed the Papandreou call for a referendum in November the situation may have been resolved more satisfactorily before now. (Perhaps, a case of where outsiders should not have meddled with internal processing. Even though they had a genuine interest, perhaps it would have been better to observe than get involved.)

“What caused the eurozone crisis?
Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou is in a full-blown political crisis after his shock decision to hold a referendum on the latest EU bailout plan for debt-laden Greece.

Several MPs in his ruling Pasok (socialist) party have rebelled against his decision, including Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos, whom he appointed in June.

Mr Papandreou's EU partners have warned him that if the referendum goes ahead the voters must be asked whether they want to stay in the eurozone or not.

Can Papandreou survive this crisis?

The pressure is mounting on Mr Papandreo”

Fred1new - 07 May 2012 10:49 - 16555 of 65439


Haystack - 07 May 2012 11:53 - 16556 of 65439

I think France will regret choosing Hollande. He is a lightweight. He has no ministerial expereience. He has just been leader of his party. Lots of promoses that he won't be able to fullfill. France is broke and cannot afford any of his ideas. Any change of course away from austerity will raise the cost of borrowing for France and it will be even more broke. If they start spending without the cash they will start a death dspiral of debt. It will be another Greece.

Fred1new - 07 May 2012 12:49 - 16557 of 65439

"I think France will regret choosing Hollande. He is a lightweight. He has no ministerial expereience. He has just been leader of his party. Lots of promoses that he won't be able to fullfill".

Sounds like the u-turn government we have in this country. As Nigel has said "that bloke is naive" hasn't ever run anything a candy-floss stall and it shows.

Heard more real tories are voting for Nigel than Dave next election!

8 -)

Haystack - 07 May 2012 15:25 - 16558 of 65439

Merkel has already said today that the Euro fiscal policy is not up for renegotiation. That pretty much sinks Hollande.

Fred1new - 07 May 2012 17:32 - 16559 of 65439

I am prepared to wait and see. It is obvious to me that the the "austerity" policy has to be modified unless Europe and UK are going to go even deeper into a recession.

What the words will be when there is "fiscal relaxation" occurs, I will leave to you. But it won't be lowering of "personal" taxation, but doesn't rule out lowering of VAT.

Haystack - 07 May 2012 18:59 - 16560 of 65439

The austerity policy is here to stay for quite a time yet. At least until we see some recovery. The Greek anti-austerity vote will turn out to be a waste of time as they have to show where the 7% cuts will be made very soon as their money will be cut off at the end of June if they don't. The anti-austerity parties will have to backtrack almost immediately.
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